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A protective leopard mother and her cubs.


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 04:52 AM

A brilliant series!!! great pics and story!

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 07:49 AM

I don't post very often but I have to say the ethics of disturbing a den site with such young cubs have to be seriously questioned. :angry: In all likelihood the mother will have moved these cubs to another den site following this intrusion with all the danger that entails. Yes, you got some nice photos but a pity they may have led to a premature end for these cubs.

Was this at Tafika?

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 08:36 AM

I don't post very often but I have to say the ethics of disturbing a den site with such young cubs have to be seriously questioned. :angry: In all likelihood the mother will have moved these cubs to another den site following this intrusion with all the danger that entails. Yes, you got some nice photos but a pity they may have led to a premature end for these cubs.

Was this at Tafika?


Sorry Gary, you're entitled to your opinion but I must disagree with you, :angry: mum was going to move those cubs regardless and a completely natural thing for her to do.
Leopard cubs at this stage of development get moved almost weekly with ALL the usual danger that this entails whether we had found them or not.
We were extremely careful in our approach to this pair and made sure we were the only vehicle around, please remember that we were in a remote area of the Sth Luangwa
and not the Kruger, Mara or Sabi Sands. <_<

Edited by africaaddict, 17 March 2012 - 08:36 AM.


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:13 PM

Could I maybe use those pictures for our survival records? Rarely get pictures that good of leopards that small!
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 06:56 PM

Thanks Jochen

What is your user name on 500px?


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We should hook up, all us here on ST. I'll start a thread!

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 07:02 PM


I don't post very often but I have to say the ethics of disturbing a den site with such young cubs have to be seriously questioned. :angry: In all likelihood the mother will have moved these cubs to another den site following this intrusion with all the danger that entails. Yes, you got some nice photos but a pity they may have led to a premature end for these cubs.

Was this at Tafika?


Sorry Gary, you're entitled to your opinion but I must disagree with you, :angry: mum was going to move those cubs regardless and a completely natural thing for her to do.
Leopard cubs at this stage of development get moved almost weekly with ALL the usual danger that this entails whether we had found them or not.
We were extremely careful in our approach to this pair and made sure we were the only vehicle around, please remember that we were in a remote area of the Sth Luangwa
and not the Kruger, Mara or Sabi Sands. <_<


Sorry, you don't know that they would get moved. You obviously weren't very careful given the reaction of the mother.

FYI, I have been out with this guide and witnessed very aggressive harassment of a female leopard at night with spotlights, head lights and revving engines. The worst case of it that type of behaviour I've seen I'd seen including Sabis Sands, Mara or anywhere else. So the above doesn't surprise me but hey, you got your photos. Who cares about the animals? :(

Did you use spotlights near these cubs?

Edited by Gary T, 17 March 2012 - 07:02 PM.


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 07:10 PM

Gary T and Africaaddict, please do start a new topic on the ethics of obtaining the best shot. I think it would be a very beneficial topic. Thanks, Matt.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 01:28 AM




Sorry Gary, you're entitled to your opinion but I must disagree with you, :angry: mum was going to move those cubs regardless and a completely natural thing for her to do.
Leopard cubs at this stage of development get moved almost weekly with ALL the usual danger that this entails whether we had found them or not.
We were extremely careful in our approach to this pair and made sure we were the only vehicle around, please remember that we were in a remote area of the Sth Luangwa
and not the Kruger, Mara or Sabi Sands. <_<


Sorry, you don't know that they would get moved. You obviously weren't very careful given the reaction of the mother.

FYI, I have been out with this guide and witnessed very aggressive harassment of a female leopard at night with spotlights, head lights and revving engines. The worst case of it that type of behaviour I've seen I'd seen including Sabis Sands, Mara or anywhere else. So the above doesn't surprise me but hey, you got your photos. Who cares about the animals? :(

Did you use spotlights near these cubs?



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You know absolutely NOTHING about what went on at this particular sighting and your assumptions are plain wrong, and over reactive. :angry:

Edited by africaaddict, 18 March 2012 - 10:04 AM.


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Posted 21 March 2012 - 02:51 AM

My comment has nothing to do with this thread or the pictures here .......

I was watching a tv program the other day on Animal Planet - on mala mala, they actually darted a Leopard and put a chip in so that Kim would follow her and make his film ................. My reaction - who am I to judge what goes on ...... but, I shut the TV off!!!!
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 10:48 PM

A footnote to this sighting-


Much to my relief, I have heard from my guide, Bryan (2 days ago) that a week later that they were observed from a much greater distance and found all were still at the den site!

May I also add that I'm not in the habit of scaring flighty leopard mums with cubs from the possibility of abandoning their den sites.
This incident happened so quickly and after we left I had terrible guilt pains.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 11:11 AM

Someone feeling terrible guilt pains would not proudly show off the photos?

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 12:06 PM

Stuff happens in the wild and unpredictable world of safaris, so I don't think any of us can be too judgmental. If any of us can say with all certainty that our actions had no detrimental effect on any of the animals we photographed, I'd be very sceptical indeed.

So the animals are safe, it wasn't done intentionally and we can appreciate some fine photography.

Let's leave the judge and jury for some other place, the points have been made.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 06:32 PM

Stuff happens in the wild and unpredictable world of safaris, so I don't think any of us can be too judgmental. If any of us can say with all certainty that our actions had no detrimental effect on any of the animals we photographed, I'd be very sceptical indeed.

So the animals are safe, it wasn't done intentionally and we can appreciate some fine photography.

Let's leave the judge and jury for some other place, the points have been made.


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Posted 26 March 2012 - 03:12 AM


Stuff happens in the wild and unpredictable world of safaris, so I don't think any of us can be too judgmental. If any of us can say with all certainty that our actions had no detrimental effect on any of the animals we photographed, I'd be very sceptical indeed.

So the animals are safe, it wasn't done intentionally and we can appreciate some fine photography.

Let's leave the judge and jury for some other place, the points have been made.


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Posted 26 March 2012 - 08:34 AM

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:10 PM

Someone feeling terrible guilt pains would not proudly show off the photos?


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Spoken by someone who probably never leaves the front door of their house. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Edited by africaaddict, 26 March 2012 - 07:24 PM.


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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:28 PM

Shall we wrap this one up? I did ask earlier in the thread about starting a new topic on photography ethics. Matt.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:38 PM

Personal message sent to me by Africaaddict, and I quote:

"wtf do you come on this site for???
You honestly gotta be joking!!!??? "

I though the point of this forum was to share opinions? Did I attack or discredit you in a rude, undignified manner? All I did is voice my opinion on the ethics of your photos.

Anyways, for someone who, and I quote again "Spoken by someone who probably never leaves the front door of their house", I'll leave this forum and site from now on. Pity because I've lived in Kenya for 3/4 of my life, been on over 50 safaris, and am in the process of moving back to Kenya to set up a lodge / photography safaris in one of the new conservanices North of the Mara.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 08:36 PM

Thanks alot. Just the kind of interaction I need on Safaritalk. People looking in on these kind of exchanges will be put off from joining and participating, and some, such as Loafer247 will leave.

I posted a message the other day about manners to new users, looks like I should do the same for long time users. Anybody who sends offensive PMs to other members needs to consider their place in this community: opinions are shared and we don't always agree, but is that reason enough to send such PMs? And members who receive similar PMs are asked to bring them to my attention: I have always felt to be approachable, and not a faceless admin.

Closing this topic.

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