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  1. This article was written by an independent person who I believe is unbiased and quite correctly shows failings with PIKE and as such its limitations in drawing conclusions. You may also do well to read the comments.
  2. I think I have addressed this before, as I was well aware of this suspicious working paper written by novices in the ivory debate that appeared shortly before CITES. There are a number of questions that colleagues raised here that made it suspicious and as a consequence, a number of respected researchers have debunked it. Please read Did eating a pizza stimulate ivory poaching? by Daniel Stiles and - Critique of Hsaing and Sekar working paper - by Fiona Underwood and Robert Burn more detail - UNderstanding Hsaing Sekars analysis - Also by Fiona Underwood. and Did legal ivory sales really boost poaching 2008? There was another one that I cant find right now - but this should keep you busy for now.
  3. This thread is getting a move on - to return to the Sabi Game Park issue - We have finally published the documentary which you can see here..
  4. Going back to an earlier post where I promised to tell more about Sabi Game Park and Mozambique - Here is an interesting breakdown of what they do and a little about how it's funded. What I like about this is that it covers the basics, but also demonstrates the daily grind and challenges. Moz Parks Foundation
  5. @inyathi Funny you should bring up the black rhino extension project. I had an interesting meeting with Ian Macdonald who headed up WWF for a while. He told me that the range extension project is running out of secure habitat to send black rhinos to. The only Rhinos in Mozambique are in Sabie Game park (a hunting concession) We are busy with a short doccie about Sabi Game park as we speak. I have to rush off, I hope to read the attachment you shared later. Its good to see this topic moving along well. Sadly my interactions on this sort of topic on social media are extremely hostile, dominated by people with very little knowledge. This is different and refreshing.
  6. @douglaswise isn't this the guy we met with the lady from J$B. We only spoke briefly. Isn't it ironic that they benefited when prohibition was lifted?
  7. Relocation of lion and cheetah is surprisingly cheap. Sourcing these animals is relatively cheap, and surprisingly easy. Black rhino are always moved in groups of more than 7, preferably 9. It takes a long time before they have to swop out genes. However, Liwonde has been hit by poachers, and if the poachers remove a key breeding male, then it may force them to find new animals. The old bull who we saw in Majete has been blamed for a number of deaths of a few calves. It took a while before they chopped his horn off this was enough to get the breeding going. When we met him, the horn had almost completely regrown. How they manage that is up to them. In SA there are about 40 or more reserves that have small lion populations. These reserves are constantly having to deal with what to do with their surplus, and happily give their lions away. I know Tembe has donated lions to a number of reserves. When we were in Hluhluwe in November, the researcher said they were bringing in a complete mix of new lion blood. Capture and moving lions is a whole lot easier than moving rhinos and elephants.
  8. You may find it worth watching this. It has been criticised for only addressing one side of the argument, but it's already an hour long which was cut down significantly from an hour and a half. I feel the (anti-trade) argument has had the bulk of media, so I am guessing that you are familiar with their arguments. Sorry for interrupting the thread - Perhaps this is should be under another topic. That said, the trophy hunting and trade debates have been thrashed to death on this forum. But they all fall under the philosophy of the sustainable use of wildlife as does wildlife economics, culling and managing surplus wildlife. And as we are talking about African Parks, its worth noting that the co-founder Michael Eustace is very much in favour of legal trade, and in this documentary, we interview Mavuso Msimang another founder of African Parks. Another founder of African Parks was the late Anthony Hall-Martin - he was instrumental in achieving the auction of ivory in 2008.
  9. I guess its wildlife needs all the help it can get. There is a very wealthy family that has bought a concession in Niassa and they haven't bothered with tourism. They are simply sinking more and more money into protection and community interests. In fact, the concession the Beggs run is done on a similar philanthropic basis with wealthy backing (but the Beggs concession is small by Niassa standards) the concession I visited was at the time a hunting concession funded by a wealthy Arab. I understand that it never broke even, and always needed topping up. The tourist camp, never really caught on. The owner has since died and I know the guys who are trying to prop it up again, without hunting and no tourism. I think this is a big ask because if you continued with very limited hunting, you would only need a quarter of the funds that they need now. Sabi Sands is also owned by a wealthy family that was never about making profit. What Greg Carr did in Gorongosa is worth celebrating. Without taking anything away from what they have done at Gorongosa, the Coutadas make up multiple times more habitat than Gorongosa does. Here is a story of just one of the Coutadas - slightly bigger than Gorongosa, but small in comparison to some Coutadas.
  10. There is no such thing as a predator-proof fence - especially one that is hundreds of kilometers long.
  11. For once you have made sense. Remember that the Delta in Botswana was almost exclusively hunting areas and as infrastructure grew, and access became easier for tourists, it evolved. hopefully, in time many other hunting concessions will evolve to tourism. I don't think hunters will be worried at all, they will simply move their business elsewhere, which is good, because it opens new opportunities for other areas to be offered protection. Your point about Bob is very valid, as it shows how fragile the tourism industry is. You may be correct that some tourists may not want to visit a reserve that practices hunting, but this isn't as bad as you think. Timbavati has done the sums and cannot stop hunting (as much as they would love to) because the income from tourist will not cover the bills. There are people who say that they should grow their accommodation to support more visitors, but that's just cutting the same cake into smaller pieces, and doesn't translate into an increased income.
  12. Currently, the criminals have a monopoly. If the "hunters and game hunters" [sic] were to succeed in getting a monopoly then they would have out-competed the criminals which would be a good thing. But, these are NOT "hunters and game hunters" that are seeking to trade horn or ivory. 60% of all rhino in SA are under state protection and owned by the state. The State is already sitting on over 40 tonnes of rhino horn. That's about 7 years of supply based purely on the existing number of horns being poached. Private rhino owners speak for about 6000 rhinos of which maybe 4000 will have their horns harvested each year and there is a substantial amount in storage - that's four tons a year and it has the ability to expand supply. That is a further 300 kgs a month (about half what is currently being supplied by dead poached rhino). If half the supply comes from state stockpiles and the other half from Private rhino owners we would be able to supply more rhino horn to the market that is currently being supplied from dead rhino sustainably, doubling supply every ten years. This does not constitute a monopoly by "hunters" or the game ranching industry. This excludes all other African range states who also have rhinos and horn stockpiles. Now - all ivory stockpiles are in state hands, bar an insignificant amount in private hands. Hunters cannot possibly get a monopoly. To think otherwise is ludicrous.
  13. Well, now that is just rubbish. Hluhluwe game reserve is 100 000ha, Majete is 70 000ha, and BVC is 374 000ha. That's a bit like calling lake Kariba a fish bowl.
  14. I have a good friend who went to BVC a few months ago. He said that it is one of the most beautiful places on earth teaming with wildlife. I understand that it is open to tourists, but I can't imagine it's going to be cheap. I am pretty sure if the economic model favoured tourism above hunting, they would do so.
  15. Here is another video of the white rhino success story. Many people don't realise what a critical role white rhino played in the birth of the game ranching industry and the success that followed.

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